Where Will It End?

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Where Will It End? [1]
The Other Side
Original Broadcast Date
Larry Block, Jack Kornfield, Debi Mae West, Everton Sylvester, Joe Frank
Karma Style, 59 minutes
Preceded by: Always
Followed by: Fire And Ice

"I told you that I I made this decision to sort of be engaged to myself."

Where Will It End? is a program Joe Frank produced as part of the series The Other Side. It was originally broadcast on February 18, 2001.


Debi tells Joe how she got engaged to herself, considers herself married to herself now. She admits it's bizarre but it improves her attitude: she stops looking for someone else to make her happy. She cites, as her inspiration, a horoscope.[1]

4:00: Debi describes her Christmas shopping; she bought a mood ring. She mentions that she isn't with a man. She intends to make herself happy, not someone else.

8:50: Larry tells Joe he and Zachary go to see Dr Arnold Gallo, a 'wild street shrink' psychiatrist. Larry gets valium from him. They help him deal with his anxiety and pain.

11:30: Debi tells Joe about going to a rave with her friend Jessica at the Shaolin Temple in downtown LA.[2] She takes ecstasy, dances wildly. She meets Malcolm; they go for each other. He has a major record deal.[3]

17:30: A woman, who sounds like she's in a club, talks about how much he likes love and kisses; Dooley Wilson's 'As time goes by' plays in the background; we hear crowd and street sounds, a couple arguing in Spanish.[4]

19:00: Larry talks about arbitrary conventions, cites wearing a tie, says our life loses meaning if we abandon them. They bring up more examples.

23:10: Larry tells Joe that he was behind stage in Rochester and his life, acting to entertain, made no sense to him.

30:40: Debi tells Joe about people coming to her place to chant at 7:30 AM Friday. She chants for Malcolm to call; he does. They make a lunch date. He reveals he's married. He moved out from Houston because he had a record deal, but it fell through.

37:50: Larry describes a play about a widower who moves from Brooklyn to Florida after his wife's death; widows go for him. He thinks the play is silly.[5]

45:00: Debi tells Joe she feels extra-marital relationships are wrong. She makes an exception for Malcolm. She's confident he will leave his wife. Joe's skeptical.

50:40: The segment from 17:30 repeats.

52:20: Joe asks Larry to explain why he's a drunk and drug addict, warns him that he's in deep water. Larry asks Joe if that doesn't make him a better subject for his show.

55:00: Everton Sylvester, a West-Indian-sounding fellow, brags about how much money he has, insults the audience; they react enthusiastically.[6][7]

Legacy Synopsis
  • Debi Mae West - She buys engagement and wedding rings for herself.
  • Larry Block - he gets valium from Zak's psychiatrist.
  • Debi - taking ecstasy at a rave, connecting with a guy and discussing chanting.
  • Sound mix: A woman talks about love, says "Kisses are wonderful," followed by a couple screaming at each other in Spanish while "As Time Goes By" plays.
  • Larry and Joe: Conventions versus objective needs, "the ritual and the actual." *The danger of divorcing oneself from convention. The arbitrariness of ties and sex acts viewed objectively. The bizarre situation of acting in a one man show. The futility of our accomplishments when viewed from 500 years in the future.
  • Debi - Her new boyfriend the married fundamentalist. Being misdiagnosed with or cured of breast cancer.
  • Larry - He's depressed by a play about sexually desperate old people.
  • Debi - more about her boyfriend and his wife.
  • Larry - His downfall makes for good radio.
  • Caribbean guy Everton Sylvester - he rails at the yuppie lifestyle of his audience: "I've got cash," and "fuck you and the Range Rover you drove in on."


Additional credits

From the broadcast, 'You've been listening to Joe Frank "The other side". This program was called "Where will it end?" with Debi Mae West, Larry Block, Everton Sylvester, and Joe Frank - production: J. C. Swiatek; production assistance: Esmé Gregson - special thanks to Julie Renick and Marnie Castor.'


Mr Brezsny's horoscopes read like parodies to me.Arthur Peabody (talk) 23:20, 2 February 2022 (EST)


  1. Rob Brezsny's horoscope published 2000 December 13: 'Happy Holy Daze, Sagittarius! If I could bless you with just one holiday gift, it would be a Tiffany diamond engagement ring. Actually, I'd give it to you in the hope that you would give it to yourself. I'd want you to slip it on your finger as you pledged to get married to yourself in 2001. Maybe you'd even be inspired to begin planning that happy day (sometime in the first two weeks of June?) when you will proclaim, "I am no longer looking for the perfect person. I am that perfect person."' available on Salon
  2. apparently not
  3. In Emptiness Debi says Malcolm had a deal with Interscope records
  4. originally aired in To The Bar Life; reused in Love Is
  5. Larry mentions another actor in the play, a friend, Joel Rooks, a real person.
  6. It sounds like a clip from a stand-up comedy routine in a club.
  7. It's on the 'Make them like it' album of the Brooklyn Funk Essentials, and YouTube with a funk background.
  8. "Zion", a reworked version of "Bullet (Bitten)", was heard two years later during the "cave rave" scene of The Matrix Reloaded.